CBT: V. S. Naipaul has declared there
are not any important writers anymore, Philip Roth has predicted the
novel will become a cult activity, Peter Stothard has asked if
fiction writing simply used to be better, Cullen Murphy, David
Shields, Lee Seigel, and Geoff Dyer have all stated that non-fiction
is superior to fiction. The list of people of letters who apparently
have lost faith in literary fiction goes on an on; it is clear that
an elementary questioning of the novel is not a passing cultural
phase. Furthermore, the short story seems to be under siege as well:
many agents and multinational publishers do not handle/publish story
collections, small magazines seem perpetually underfunded, and a
YouTube-ification of text and image seems to be taking short
narrative in new directions. Finally, in the 2015/early 2016, it's
become common for writers to observe their audience is shrinking
rather drastically – what we might call the Smart Phone Effect.
What is your opinion? Do the novel and
short story have a future? If so, what kind? And will e-technology
alter the very forms of them? If so, how?
BP: V. S. Naipaul would say that since
he’s no longer writing fiction. Novel reading, at least in its
literary guise, has always been a cult activity, though I agree that
it’s lost some of its cultural import. Stothard’s bowed-head
conclusion is funny: fiction writing, like poetry, has always been
cyclical as to quality, and it’s a mug’s game to weigh those
sweeping differences within one’s contemporary
clothes-closet-on-a-manse. Siegel et al seem to be caught up in
hot-button social issues. The self-promotion and justification of
their stylized genre omits, by design or ignorance, the pleasant
reality that fiction rests on invention and imagination. They want it
both ways – the intellectual acclaim of fiction’s difficult
originality with the commercial awards of popular interest. I like
some of the books their team publishes, but I wouldn’t dress it up
as superior to fiction, or worse, groundbreaking.
The short story
came of age with its publication in well-read dailies and magazines,
pre-T.V. More than a few of those ever-elusive common readers would
get their one-sit dose of fiction by listening to radio serials or,
more often, reading a short story. I don’t have stats for Canada,
but in the U.S. there were 18,793 newspapers published in 1899. One –
one! – syndicate, McClure’s Associated Literary Press, put out
155 short stories in 1885. But T.V., it seems, killed the form’s
popularity. Much easier to sit down after work and dinner to a
passive series of sit-com images than to spend the same amount of
time reading a short story. And once women entered the work force in
droves, competition – both from among different entertainment
sources and forms, and for the audience’s limited time –
increased further. Short story fanatics will remain, thankfully, but
I don’t think we’re going back to the twenty-pager glory days.
Novels and poetry are not only not going to fall off a cliff, they’re
going to thrive, in numbers if not quality. The turbulence we’re
seeing is one of transmission, not declining interest. Publishers,
especially the top-heavy and risk-averse Big 5 (Big 3 in Canada?),
have to realize what readers not only want (in distribution options,
pricing, convenience, availability), but expect. The technology has
changed. Publishers can’t fight it. But, just as ‘establishment’
is currently (and justifiably) a curse word in American politics, the
same identification will continue to take on negative associations in
literature. This issue isn’t confined to the genre world, of which
I couldn’t care less. It’ll ramp up in litfic, as well.
BP: It’s easy to say that less money
means fewer chances that a publisher will take on a new writer, or a
writer that doesn’t check off all the popular CanLit boxes –
template realism or historical litfic. It’s easy, but it’s also
true! I feel for authors who are trying things that can’t be
assessed by facile comparisons to contemporaries. But the good news
is there are now alternatives. After all, 98 % or more of submissions
aren’t published, anyway. One may as well go for broke (though I
wince at the unintended pun).
CBT: Is the cutting back of mid-lists
and a general cautiousness about taking risks on new or relatively
unknown writers affecting the caliber of writing that does manage to
get into print?
BP: I think I covered this a bit in the
above answer. I can’t speak comprehensively because it’s
impossible to read, never mind even being aware of, all the titles
issued twice yearly. But it’s safe to, again, look at the
economics. As money shrinks, publishers, foremost, have to look to
their own existence. The bland, formulaic, dour, pretentious,
narrator-flattering fiction that is a staple in Canada will only
increase (or, better put, narrow) when pressures likewise increase to
satisfy the reflex expectations of book clubs, ideological syllabi
recruiters, and current affairs advocacy groups.
CBT: Do you have an author's website?
Does it help you sell books?
BP: I’m unpublished, so this doesn’t really apply to me, though I had a long-running reviews blog through to this past December.
CBT: How do you feel about running an
author's website? Do you feel its a labour of love – or an annoying
imposition? Or something else altogether?
BP: My blog was a labour of love, yes.
I couldn’t any longer justify spending much time on it, and rather
than limp along at a post every few months – what’s the point? –
I decided to close shop and let it stand for any archival interest it
may garner for readers googling a title for a review. As for other
author sites, I’m all for them. I’ve read others sneering at
their desperation and boasting. Well, self-promoting is boasting,
necessarily so. Publishers are doing less of it, and in any case, the
promotional window for a book is brief. Of course, if you’re a
megalomaniacal, floodposting dick about your work, that won’t help,
either.
CBT: Is the selection system for novel
and short story manuscripts fair? Should it be made blind?
BP: Fair for who? Publishers are only
responsible to themselves for who they take on. The issue I have with
the entire submissions process – and I’ve experienced this – is
when editors and/or publishers are too lazy or chickenshit (more the
latter, I suspect) to even inform the submitter with a simple yes or
no. But it’s naive to think a publisher won’t take into
consideration extraliterary matters when deciding whose work to
select.
CBT: E-book sales now represent a
significant percentage of overall sales. But small bookstores see
them as more a threat to their survival than anything else, and a lot
of book people remain print people. Are you enthusiastic about
e-books? Do they hold the potential for a renaissance in literary
publishing? Or are they over-rated and too susceptible to piracy?
BP: Money, obviously, is tight for
print publishers. And the economy ain’t gonna recover to what it
was after WWII through to the end of the tech bubble. Federal and
provincial subsidies may or may not remain at current levels, though
I’d suggest any movement will be downward. Publishers, as they’re
now constituted, will be fewer and will publish fewer books. But I
disagree that small publishers will feel the squeeze the worst. I
hope small publishers can still afford to stick to quality and
originality over safe choices, (the ones currently doing this, of
course), and I’d hope others can start up and sustain their own
visions. But the big 3 are less nimble. Big pub’s modus operandi –
long turnaround time, expensive in-house talent, big city rent,
warehousing, high-percentage returns on their frequently shitty
products, a focus on hitting a seventeen-run homer rather than
supporting their wider stable with smaller hits, increasingly
unjustifiable and draconian contract terms, shrinking resources for
mid-list promotion, one- or two-and-done decisions on inexperienced
authors who can’t overcome the blunt mathematics from Book Scan –
will be exacerbated by industry changes, and detrimental to not only
their health but to their existence.
I predict the Bertlesmanns of
the book world will just one day look at a fourth-quarter bottom
line, shrug, say “fuck it”, and take over an
as-yet-to-be-imagined, lucrative, alternate entertainment source –
say, interactive stories with sexbots where the customer can select
from frequent plot twists. And good riddance to them. There are many
possible, positive alternatives. Micro-publishing, now a tiny niche,
could take off. Community read-alouds and concerts could replace
digital entertainment in an energy-compromised world. Self-publishing
is the obvious, pressing alternative, but also resource-friendly
online publishing, of which, surprisingly, I’ve heard little. It’s
too large a question to cover here, even to a speculative sliver, as
to how things will change. And impossible to predict. But I’m
sanguine about the future.
CBT: What do you think of literary
prizes? As Jason Cowley has commented, they reduce our culture's
ability to think in a critically complex fashion. Do they suggest,
“this book is worth reading and all these others aren't?”
BP: My take on this seems to come from
a different angle than most. The standard objection to literary
prizes seems to be that the originators and publishers of prizes are
debasing literature by forcing submitters into a mold, by creating
inevitable ethical problems inherent in the process, by turning the
focus on one winner at the expense of hundreds of still-obscure
also-rans, or by turning the entire literary promotional model into a
superficial contest of blurb clichés. That’s all true. But
publishers are gonna do what they’re gonna do. A significant chunk
of a journal’s subscription base, for example, comes from contest
entrants (all entries usually receive a “free” year’s
subscription). The economics don’t favour contestants. Many entries
come in at $25 to $35 a pop, with the first prize ranging from $500
to $1000, usually.
So unless a submitter is cynically able to game a
(say) poem to the specific and career predilections of the judge, why
bother? CV value? Enter if you think you can win and make some money,
or if you actually find the journal or mag worthy of financial
support. But otherwise award organizers are just feeding a demand
which would be stillborn without the writers’ input. As for the
larger national prizes, they’re so obviously subjective and
frequently corrupt, the only positive thing to mention is that many
Canadians realize, with shock and for a week, that books are actually
available for sale at their local big box.
CBT: Philip Marchand once stated, “Not
even the most fervent partisans of Canadian literature will say that
Canadians have done fundamentally new things with the novel form, or
changed the way we read in the manner, say, of a Joyce, a Kafka, a
Nabokov, or a Garcia Marquez.” Marchand is correct as far as
perceptions go; Canadian writing is not considered formally or
stylistically groundbreaking. However, is this in fact the case when
one regards our de facto production? What examples can you think of
(including your own work) which would suggest another point of view?.
BP: Marchand is right. He could have
added U.S.-born authors to those four names. We’re a conservative
country, in our political underpinnings, our cultural choices, and
our literary output. Our modernist transition was delayed, our
postmodernist beginnings, in poetry, a third-hand travelogue from
Black Mountain via San Francisco to Vancouver (throughout BC) and
third-hand French theory (in much of the rest of the country). Our
current experiments in form have yielded more heat than light, and
we’re still borrowing wholesale, only now we’re at least more
up-to-date with what other countries are doing. I’m sure I’m
missing out on original work, and there are a few novels I’m
intrigued by that I haven’t gotten to yet. And we’ve had some
success at crafting excellent material from traditional (as that term
constantly changes) patterns. But our most internationally lauded
writers aren’t game-changers. And the “we’re still a young
country” excuse is getting rather thin.
CBT: You've written on the
importance/difficulties of being an independent critic. (In many
ways, you and the critic Dan Green seem to be of the same mind on
this.) Is this sort of criticism more necessary than ever? Or is it
unrealistic to expect "citizen criticism" to emerge and be
sustainable? After all, economic pressure in the form of head
office-determined downsizing has been a factor in your own ability to
write indie criticism.
BP: First off, I make a distinction
between reviewing (which is what I do) and criticism. Reviewing is a
flat-out joke in this country. I’m not talking about the various
publicists, blurbers, book club sites, and fan-based readers’
blogs, who, after all, are only fulfilling their mandates. I mean
what passes for honest, engaging commentary in our biggest dailies.
As to Marchand (again): I’ve read little by him for years. He’s
mailing it in. Alex Good is good, but so many others in the Toronto
Star, the NatPost, Globe & Mail, and sundry other outlets –
mygawd, the howlers, the bourgeois assumptions, the lack of
historical understanding, the surface nature of their conclusions. I
feel for authors. Even when they do get the occasional review, it’s
apt to be misguided at best, poorly thought-out and worded at worst.
The Quill & Quire is sometimes good, but they have to fit the
review onto a fridge magnet, and there’s only so much you can do
with that super-short format. And mind, there’s no excuse here of a
fear in biting the hand that feeds one. Many of these reviewers are
not also authors of fiction or poetry. As to those who fill both
roles, well, a lot of cross-seams show. Solutions? Reviewing – and
long-form criticism – is indeed more important than ever because of
shrinking spaces in traditional outlets, but there’s no reason this
can’t be taken up by the reading community in one online format or
another.
Some already exist: Dooney’s Café
pulls no punches. Mark Sampson's Free Range Reading publishes
thoughtful new reviews, plus links to his other online reviews.
Steven Beattie, at his That Shakespearean Rag site, has offered an
in-depth post-a-day for a month each year on selected short stories.
Norm Sibum’s Ephemeris, through Encore Literary Magazine, though in
part a mix of gossip and political handwringing, nevertheless
comments on art, artistic shenanigans, and poetics. Numero Cinq
includes reviews of various sorts. The Winnipeg Review sheds some
light on new fiction releases, and I'm glad they've lately added
poetry to their reviewing mix, but aside from a few stellar
reviewers, the output is tame and bland. Your own site shares links
and comments on the publishing industry. All of this is important,
but I’d love to see a site in Canada that focusses exclusively on
book reviews, or (more practically possible) that teams with other
writers to create a reviewing site that can be updated fairly
frequently. The Partisan is sometimes interesting, but, again, it’s
a mix, and a mix I don’t find at all attractive (Daryl Hine bumping
up against whatever was said on a reality T.V. show the other night).
The Northern Review, the Danforth Review, and a few others have tried
this, the latter notably so, but it’s defunct, and the former went
dark, and now (I believe) updates sporadically. Journal reviews are
important but diminished by their small circulation and limited
access. Some, fortunately, allow those reviews online. All of the
above is encouraging, but the driving force – reviewers willing to
take on books honestly – is still lacking. As a writer-reviewer,
your negative review is gonna hurt your chances for some possible
future prize? Seems less a threat to an author than what’s
currently on display – crappy or compromised reviewing, or total
neglect.
CBT: You have a keen interest in
politics, especially international politics as it manifests itself as
a geopolitical force. This seems to be a relative rarity among
Canadian writers these days (at least, as an explicit concern).
Broadly speaking , is Canadian literary discourse too provincial?
BP. I have to laugh. I actually think
Canadian literature would be better served if it were more
provincial. That’s not because I think politics and literature
can’t co-exist – they can, should, and sometimes, magnificently,
do – but that what passes for so-called political novels or poems
are often obvious and ideologically vapid. By pure chance I happened
to have read, back-to-back a month ago, José Saramago’s Seeing and
Pasha Malla’s People Park. Both had similar themes set in similar
circumstances. Unfair to contrast a first-time novelist with
Saramago? Perhaps. But it shows the gulf, and we have to remark on
the novel on its own terms. The late Portuguese writer concocts a
complex, hilariously satirical commentary on the ruling class, and
its effects, in a mesmerizing array of emotions, (especially) on a
waveringly faithful police inspector; intriguing characters are
absent in Malla’s novel. The former suggests, through indirection
and conflicted alliances, how political decisions are made; the
latter concentrates on blunt effects among cartoon characters, and
the author’s writing suffers terribly trying to navigate through
the mess his narrative requires. I’d much rather read a novel with
small parameters done well than an ambitious train wreck.
CBT: What are you working on now that
you're excited about?
BP. I have a novel making the rounds.
I’m slowly sketching out ideas for a second. I continue to write
flash fiction – 500 to 1,000 words. And I’ll be writing and
submitting reviews in a few months, on what I don’t yet know.
Bio: Brian Palmu is a writer living on
the Sunshine Coast, BC. His long-running blog, now retired, can be
accessed at brianpalmu.blogspot.ca.
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